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Posted: 10/15/2018 6:05 PM
Enterprise - Limited Set
You're correct, it isn't an equal comparison. But $1200 for a really cool looking Kirk and Spock autograph card, plus a host of other autographs, and the limited tribute cards. I definitely feel like TOS was the better value.
I'm not sure a direct comparison to the premium set RA did ages ago is a fair comparison. Each pack cost the same as box and what was it?...two 'boxes' were needed for a full set. I don't remember the exact prices but I think it was like $50 a pack, $600 a box? So, about $1200?
Here it's like $350 (or $400 retail, but hopefully you have a dealer!) and poof you're done.
I like Enterprise (I like Scott Bakula more!) I think if all seasons were like Season 4, we'd be talking a different game, but I think this is great. We get some autos, a sketch, some quotables (which I looooveeeee). I think it's going to scratch an Enterprise itch.
Oops :-p I was doing the math thinking 300 autographs total, that's why I wrote 60 each, not 300 times 3 autographs per factory pack :-p my bad you are correct . If they all evenly signed the same amount of cards, makes them 180 each.
Enterprise - Limited Set
Actually AT, with 3 autographs per set... that's 900 autograph cards total, divided by 5 and assuming all are signed equally, that's 180 of each autograph. That's not too few...Remember everyone that orders two sets, a possible 150 people, will have an extra autograph card. That would leave 30 of each to go into the market but also presuming some dealers will open the sets to try ie Bakula for more will result in more copies of these floating around. All that being said, I have stated over the years that I love my autographs, and I love my cards, so I live for collecting autograph cards. But I hate the silver signature series. The pictures look so two dimensional and pasted like a lot of the Topps cards I've hated in the past several years. I hate the silver pen and how shabby some of the signatures look. Give me the bold blue signatures on the pictures taken from the show any day over the silver. I am saving my money for The Orville and The Twilight Zone.
The Trek Movies H&V premium pack set was released in 2011. I actually really enjoyed the simplicity of the Trek Movies H&V set as a collector. The trading card industry has changed a lot since the Skybox and early RH sets, and even exponentially in the last 7 years since the MOV H&V release. RH releases are not really carried at traditional retail like a lot of Topps and Cryptozoic releases are. I rarely see foil packs for sale at a comic book shops either and when I do, I always wonder who in the world is buying single packs at $4 - $5 each these days!
As a collector, one is most likely doing one of three things today. 1) Buying a master set (or only the pieces you want) direct from a dealer, 2) Building your own set by buying individual pieces via dealers or eBay, or 3) Buying sealed boxes/cases, trying to make your set that way, and try to recoup some funds on the extras. As I am only a collector and not a dealer, my personal style is buying 2 cases and then buying the rest piece by piece on eBay or from dealers.
What I have noticed from that is that, except for a handful of lucky dealers that do shows or have a retail connection, base cards are not highly desired on the secondary market. I end up with 23 extra base sets that eventually end up in the trash. Some of the higher ratio insert sets aren't desired as much as the dealers would hope either. Of course, there are also dealers out there that think every single insert/auto card is worth a fortune too, but I think they end up holding onto their inventory a lot! Collecting trading cards is not an inexpensive hobby anymore by any means. I often wonder how many folks are out there still willing to pay $3K-$5K every 3-4 months for a new master set. A lot of members of the millennial (and younger) groups don't even value accumulating possessions like their parents did. You have to collect these cards because you love the hobby and you love the subject matter. You can't be collecting cards as an investment opportunity or your retirement savings. Just like your 401K, there is absolutely no 100% guarantee you will see a financial return, or even your initial investment back.
My humble opinion is that, in today's market, I think RH should go back to the premium pack (or factory set) format for every Star Trek release. It would give the base set some actual value again and would also save the dealers from having to open 40+ cases of foil packs by hand each release. It would also save RH from having to create redundant "filler" like parallel base sets and random insert sets to help fill out the foil pack releases. Of course, many dealers and other collectors may have opinions that disagree with my views. Only Steve/RH know the true financial bottom line of their products and how to best distribute their product to the market.
Personally I get where you are coming from, but I am glad that this is a factory set style, with buying 2 of them you get a complete set of autos and a sketch card. I get why they did this, if you follow the Star Trek trading card market, they are not selling like they used to say 10 years ago. Dealers have resolved to sell cards for peanuts in order to try to make there money back, There might be only 60 autograph cards of each of the 5 signers, but I'm certain you will find them on the secondary market at low prices once they are released. Will there even be 150 people wanting to make a set? I'm surprised that even DS9 was not made into a factory set once it was released. I have noticed that unless it's TOS, TNG, or the New movies, the buyers are not there like they used to be, and even those have taken a downfall. As for Discovery, it makes no sense to have it as a factory set, it's too hot at the moment. Anyway, that is just my opinion.
Enterprise - Limited Set
Speaking for myself, I know I've been waiting for another Enterprise set for a very, very long time. Enterprise never really got its due. I enjoyed it from the beginning, but admit it really took off in seasons 3-4, (much like DS9, once a certain exec. producer loosened the reigns). Of course, except for with the series finale---yuck.
I thought we were promised no more premium Star Trek sets after the problems and unhappiness surrounding the Heroes & Villains premium set.
Way back when, we got those oversized seven of nine cards in a small factory sealed set. That's fine. Something reasonably priced, not too limited in quantity. Couldn't we just get like a preview set of new Enterprise cards, where you get like 18 cards & 1 of 3 or 4 autographs to collect.
Collect. The key word. Certainly these cards will be rare, but goodness gracious--- 300 sets, so only about 150 people have any chance of collecting these. I get it. Unless you buy a case of something, you probably won't get a sketch card. They're rare. They're treasure. That's wonderful. But only 300 of a base card? And such super rare quantities of the autographs.
It just feels insulting, especially since we were told Star Trek wasn't going to released in such limited ways again.
Is it just more fallout from Enterprise always being criticized? Between the ever-popular Scott Bakula and the fact that I know new audiences now would see what TV execs couldn't 13 years ago, Enterprise will have a resurgence. At least Enterprise fits into the overall canon of Star Trek without overwriting all the hard work breathed into Trek by all the design, make-up and production staff.
By the way, Discovery is a premium pay streaming show. Why isn't that one coming out in a premium set instead of Enterprise?
Obviously I know none of this matters since the set is already for sale. So nothing will change. It's just sad to think of one more thing where a lot of us life-long Trek fans & 18 year customers are no longer considered the target audience.